Question about Hull's interest rate swap as FRAs

David Harper CFA FRM

David Harper CFA FRM
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In my email from a customer today (response to forum b/c sometimes it can be helpful to others)

Question:
"I have a doubt on page 41/192 of market risk material uploaded by you. The doubt relates to:

Value a plain vanilla interest rate swap based on a sequence of forward rate agreements (FRAs)

Here after calculating the forward rate we are getting 10.75% (say) and with this forward rate we are using the following formula to obtain 11.04%

2[(e10.75%*6/12)-1] =11.04%

Please clarify as to why this formula is being used. Also please intimate the possible date of uploading Credit Risk Material so that I can schedule my study program accordingly.


Answer:
Fabulous observation. I just want to remind that I YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED the Four page EdigGrid Spreadsheets that collect John Hull's interest rate and currency swaps. Why are these worth your time? Related to the question here, the analysis of a swap utilizes (gives practice to) several testable concepts. This swap-as-FRA is but a few building blocks combined.

http://learn.bionicturtle.com/images/forum/hull_swap_fra_1.png

First, make sure you can get the 10.75% forward rate from the two spot rates: 10% @ 0.25 and 10.5% @ 0.75 years.

Hull does this with CONTINUOUS COMPOUNDING:

(10.75% = 0.75*10.5% - 10%*0.25)/(0.75-0.25) = 10.75% Forward

Okay, but how can we be sure? we check to see if it works (I do this every time, i am never sure if it's right):

EXP(0.25*10%)*EXP(0.5*10.75%)=EXP(0.75*10.5%)
same as:
e^(0.25*10%)*e^(0.5*10.75%)=e^(0.75*10.5%)

Must know this. See why continuous is so elegant: it can simply be added!
Linda Allen calls this TIME CONSISTENCY and cites this as a reason for favoring continuous compounding: returns can be added. e.g., year 1 return @ 3% + year 2 return @ 6% means that 2-year = 9% under continuous.

Also note: Tuckman, however, uses semi-annual compounding. But same principle at work.
Can you solve for the forward (.25,.75) under semi-annual compounding instead, per Tuckman?
(answer will be very near to 10.75% anyway)


Second, Hull converts the continousyly rate to a semi-annual compounded rate with:

11.04% semi-annual compound freq = 2*(EXP(10.75% continuous/2)-1)

Why?
First, b/c in FRAs Hull matches compound frequency to the length (T2 - T1), in this case (0.75,0.25) = six months.
Second, more easily, it matches the 10.2% LIBOR which is a six month rate (i.e., 10.2% with semi-annual compounding)
But, IMO, this is not critical. For the question could be crafted to use continuously throughout, or to use semi-annual compounding throughout. This is sort of based on the question setup. More important to see how to do the translation.


"Also please intimate the possible date of uploading Credit Risk Material so that I can schedule my study program accordingly"
This week they will upload.

David
 

Karthik & Vaidy

New Member
Dear Harper



I have a doubt on the following question (Source FRM Exam 2004). The question is something like this



The two year risk free rate in the United Kingdom and France 8% and 5% per annum continuously compounded respectively. The current French Franc (FF) to the GBP currency exchange rate is that one unit of GBP currency cost is 0.75 units of FF. What is the two year Forward Price of one unit of the GBP in terms of the FF so that no arbitrage opportunity exists


a) 0.578 b) 0.706 c) 0.796 and d) 0.973.



If the observed two year forward price of one unit of the GBP is 0.850 of the FF what is your strategy to make an arbitrage profit


In these types of problem I am unable to understand which currency should be short sold / bought forward. Also tell me which unit of currency is expressed against the other. (I always have confusion on this- say two year one unit of the GBP in terms of FF )



Please tell me as to how to approach this problem and do the needful ,



With Regards

M.Karthik
 

David Harper CFA FRM

David Harper CFA FRM
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M Karthik,

I think these are among the toughest; here is how i think about this type of problem:

The IRP says "no arbitrage" should make you indifferent to holding currency domestically or investing it abroad. So, here it is a matter of comparing two scenarios.

0. Start with holding 1 GBP
(why did i decide that? I just picked, it doesn't matter. I could start with 0. Start with holding 1 FF)

And imagine two scenarios:
1. Invest in GBP ("keep it home"), or
2. Invest in French Franc. But as you want to start and end in the same place, you need to take a round trip to invest in French Franc: convert at spot @ start of period; invest in Franc for the period; then @ end of period, convert back at forward.
This way, I start with 1 GBP and finish with #X GBP. The forward is the unknown to be solved for, that must make the two investments equal.


Again, this is just b/c i imagined myself in UK. You could imaging starting in France. and you have the same choice:
1. Invest at home in Francs, or
2. Send your 1.0 franc on a round trip abroad: spot convert to GBP, invest at UK rate, forward convert back to have FF at end of period.
(and you will end up the same place if you HONOR the ratios)

So, okay, I will stick with my scenario where i imagine I am in U.K.

1. Take 1 GBP invest. In this case, (1)EXP[(2)(8%)] = about 1.17 GBP, or
2. Send the 1 GBP on a "round trip abroad:"

2a. first, convert to FF: 1 GPB * 0.75 FF/GBP = .75 FF
2b. second, that .75 FF is now ready to be invested in its home country: .75 * EXP[(2)(5%)] = about .83 FF at the end of the 2 year period
2c. third, the FF "back home to U.K." with the forward: .83 FF * forward, which is the thing i don't know but want to solve for

And IRP says
1.17 GBP = (.83 FF)(forward GBP/FF), so forward rate = 1.415 GBP/FF

but the question wants forward given this way: FF/GBP, so I need 1/1.415 = about 0.706

notice, i don't myself get bogged down by which is the domestic/foreign currency, or if i should be multiplying/dividing. Because division is multiplication. The key is to make sure I am keeping track of the ratio. IMO, if you make sure every number is a ratio, then you cannot go too wrong.

I could have thought to myself:
1.17 GPB = (.83 FF)/forward, then forward = 0.706 but I must see that this forward is in units that already are given by FF/GBP

So, for me personally, the key to these are being mindful of the RATIO:
GBP * FF/GBP = FF, or
GBP / (GBP/FF) = FF, or
when the problem sets up in awkward phrasing "the current FF to the GBP FX rate is that one unit of GBP costs 0.75 units of FF"
all of that is simply:
0.75 FF/GBP or 0.75 FF/1.0 GBP


which is the same as
1/0.75 = 1(FF/GBP) = 1.33 GBP/FF

(Sorry for then length, I am just sharing my thought process real time)
For myself, I do not trust the 0.706, so i want to check it. Go back to the two paths:

1. Invest GPB: 1 GBP * EXP[(2%)(8%)] = about 1.17 GBP
2. Convert 1 GBP to FF: 1 GBP * 0.75 FF/1 GBP = 0.75 FF (see how GBP cancels, I am fine because everything is a ratio). Grow the FF: 0.75 * EXP[(2)(5%)] = about .83 FF. Now convert back. I have FF, so i must either multiply by GBP/FF or divide by FF/GBP. My forward rate of 0.706 is FF/GBP, so i will divide: .83 FF / (0.706 FF/GBP) = about 1.17 GBP.

And they match, so it looks right.
Of course, that is the long way, the IRP is the cost of carry model and 0.706 = 0.75*EXP[(2)(5-8%)] because the foreign rate is treated like a dividend. But, to tell you the truth, i could not go to that directly b/c I don't know instinctively where to put the 5 and the 8.

On the second part, what if forward is 0.85 FF/1.0 GBP?
Here we just really have to figure out, which country is the better investment, should i be keeping in home (UK) or sending abroad (FF)?
no arbitrage says forward should be 0.706 FF/GBP but i can get 0.85 FF/GBP.
well, that is like Franc depreciation, the forward franc costs me 0.85 to buy a single pound sterling, but it should only cost me .706.
Okay, France here is a bad deal. I want to be invested in the U.K. My arbitrage is to prefer the 1st path. (i want to be long GBP and short FF). At the end of the period, i do not want to be delivering "depreciated" francs. Rather, i want to collect francs in the forward to fund my borrowing of francs.
So, i will borrow francs to fund the purchase of GBP. The forward at 0.85 is bad (expensive) francs, so i don't want to deliver francs, i want to collect francs. So, I sell GPB forward for francs.

Hope that helps! David
 

David Harper CFA FRM

David Harper CFA FRM
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M Karthik

I wanted to get this (covered interest rate parity) into a spreadsheet for the members. I used your question example. I'd be interested if you think it is a good way to show it? Note at bottom are the two arbitrage scenarios that show the action if the forward is mispriced:

Covered interest rate parity

David
 

Karthik & Vaidy

New Member
Dear Harper
I understood the reply posted by you on 30th June 08. I feel if the given information is converted in the form of a ratio then things can be easily interpreted. (Is my understanding okay?). Please correct me if I am wrong.

Further regarding yesterday's information (covered interest parity) posted by you I have a doubt in the second instance that is when the forward is mispriced at 0.60 French Francs (FFs). Here after translating GBP into FF and investing in FF we get 829 FF. The amount of GBP borrowed i.e.1000 grows to 1174 GBP. Here we are translating to get 704 FF (1174/0.60) and thereby we are arriving at a profit of 125 FF. Why we are not translating 829 FF into GBP which will give us 1382 GBP which give a profit of 207 GBP. This will also lead to a profit of 125 FF. Is my understanding correct here?

Also I am unable to download the credit risk material. Please help.

You presentation was superb. Thanks.
 

David Harper CFA FRM

David Harper CFA FRM
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M Karthik

* Yes, in my opinion to be mindful of the ratios is way to be okay here

* As evidenced by your oberservation: at 829 GBP, I had an error. Should read 829 FF. (i have fixed this, thank you!). "Why we are not translating 829 FF into GBP which will give us 1382 GBP which give a profit of 207 GBP. This will also lead to a profit of 125 FF. Is my understanding correct here?" Absolutely correct. It seems to be you are in control of this!

* "Also I am unable to download the credit risk material. Please help." Please retry the download. In every case so far, the link & file have been fine, but the download has been partial. If the download is incomplete, it will appear as corrupted file.

"You presentation was superb. Thanks." Thank you, it is always nice to hear the effort is worthwhile!

David
 

Karthik & Vaidy

New Member
Dear Harper

I have completed Market Risk from your study material. Apart from this I have gone through Philipe Jorian 4th edition (except for Bond and Fixed Income Securities) for the Market Risk portion. Because of the time constraint and professional commitment I could not go through the core reading (as suggested by AIM Statement) and I have solely relied upon you material.
I am yet to go through the Scheweser notes as it is not currently available at my place (Mumbai, India).
I have started with Quantitative Risk from your study material some two days back. In spite of this I am yet to gain confidence in Market Risk and I am still apprehensive about certain areas like Bonds and Fixed Income Securities, Black Scholes and Greeks (this is an understatement). Even though I have gone through the same. Please advice as to how to overcome this mental block on these topics. As per my schedule I intend to incomplete Market Risk, Quantitative Risk and Credit Risk by 15th August 2008 (in all aspects). Also please tell me as to where should I look out for problems for solving. Right now I am looking into the past problems i.e. 2006, 2007 and 2008 as uploaded in your site. Please advice and do the needful.

With Regards
M.Karthik
 

k_gopala

New Member
Hi David,

The method of converting the continuous forward rate in to a semi annual compounding forward rate (pg 164) has not been applied for valuation of currency swap as portfolio of forward contracts (Ref: Hull page 170 ). Any reasons for it?

Thanks and regards
 

David Harper CFA FRM

David Harper CFA FRM
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Hi risklearner,

To net the payments, he wants to be apples to apples (continuous to continuous or semiannual to semiannual). In the currency, he never needs to leave continuous. But re p 164, IMO is really b/c he setup the problem with semiannual compounding (he starts with receive fixed as semiannual). It is a nice observation. I think the p 164 is unnecessarily complicated: it could start with *either* continuous or semiannual compounding and forgo the conversion; e.g., the 8% could be translated to continuous and then the swap can be valued continuous-to-continuous like p 170. in currency swap as FRA, he makes conversion unnecessary by starting with both in CC (he could have started both in semi-annual. Or like p 164, in different, then do the conversion).

David
 

Karthik & Vaidy

New Member
Dear Harper

Unable to download the Credit risk material. Please facilitate and do the needful. Also I shall be thankful to you if you can reply for my mail dated 4th July 2008.

With Regards
M.Karthik
 

David Harper CFA FRM

David Harper CFA FRM
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M.Karthik -

I actually haven't had a single host issue this year (2008). Every single case, without exception, has been on the user side. I have been on many errands, every time to eventually have the customer say "oops" I am fine now :)

The link to the unsecured PDF is fine. You will want to see what is blocking it from your end

...i have to come back to the other email, i am not sure how to reply yet since you seem to say you aren't reading the core, it is a tough question to field.

David
 

Karthik & Vaidy

New Member
Doubt regarding storage cost

I see in certain cases where forward contract involving storage cost is calculated in the following manner.

F=(S+U)ert where U is the storage cost.

While in other cases the forward contract is calculated in the following manner

F=Se(r+u)t.

Please explain the difference.

Withm regards
M.Karthik
 

David Harper CFA FRM

David Harper CFA FRM
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Hi M.Karthik,

Very little difference, really, it is only a matter of how the costs are expressed/quantified:

F=(S)*EXP[(r+u)T]

is *convenient* when you can express storage cost as a constant percentage of the spot; e.g., 1% per month or 12% per annum as a contant percent of spot.

But when that is not really possible, U = present value of the future storage costs, so this:

F=(S+U)*EXP[rT]

is just parsing it out

F=(S+U)*EXP[rT] = S*EXP[rT] + U*EXP[rT] where U*EXP[rT] is the future value of the present value (U) of the storage costs, so the forward is costing that much more.

David
 

Karthik & Vaidy

New Member
I am unable to download the study notes for CREDIT RISK & OPERATIONAL RISK.

In both files I get the error msg. "THERE WAS AN ERROR OPENING THIS DOC. THIS FILE IS DAMAGED AND IT COULD NOT BE REPAIRED".

Kindly help urgently.

I am attaching the screenshot for your ref.

As you had pointed out the size of the downloaded file is small... pl. guide how to overcome this.

Thanks a lot in advance for your kind help.

Best regards,
 

windfactor

New Member
There is a simple way of looking at the forward price question.

Steps

1. Identify the quoted currency. In this case it is GBP (The easy of identifying it is to take the analogy of how prices are quoted in supermarket. 1 Apple costs you .01 French Francs, here the price of apple is being quoted. Taking the same analogy, in this question the price of GBP is being quoted i.e. one GBP costs you 0.75 French Francs.)

2. Having identified the quoted currency, look at the interest rates in the two currencies. The rule of thumb is and this is very important for beginners, if the interest rate of the quoted currency is higher than the other currency, the forward price will be lower than the spot price. Vice a versa, if the rate of the quoted currency is lower than the spot currency, the forward price will be higher than the spot price.

Without doing any calculation, now you know that the forward price will be lower than the spot price! Now you can atleast stub out some of the choices in a multiple choice question!

3. You know the forward price equation.

Forward Price = Spot Price X ((Exp(Int Rate A X T)/Exp(Int Rate B X T))

To get a lower forward price than the spot price, Int rate B i.e. the denominator should be higher than than Int rate A i.e. the numerator.

In our question, Int rate B should be the higher one i.e. GBP rate of 8%

Now plug in the numbers, 0.75 X ((Exp(.05 X 2)/Exp(.08 X 2)) = .706

Why the forward price is lower, assume you are a french businessman who has entered in a forward contract to buy GBP in 2 years. By contracting to buy GBP in 2 years, you have foregone the opportunity to buy GBP in the spot market and invest the proceeds at the higher interest rate of 8%. You should be compensated for this foregone opportunity by adjusting the forward price downwards. If this does not happen riskless profit can be made and in an effecient market this will not be allowed.

hope it helps.

regards,
Siddharth Kumar
 

Karthik & Vaidy

New Member
Dear Harper

I am came across course by the name Certified Derivative Specialist being offered by Derivative Financial Analytics Institute, Miami USA. Is it worth doing. I was referred to this course by a colleague of mine in India. Please advice.
 
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